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Title: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on August 24, 2009, 12:07:43 pm The government has lots of money for clunkers to give people who probably can't afford their new car payments. They can give billions to the auto industry and the big bankers. They are giving away of your tax dollars billions as a result of the stimulus package.
Now, there's NO money to give an increase to the Social Security recipients. Of course. SS increases are based on some cost of living index and it's flat lined . So, no increase for the next two years. But, Medicare costs and the related deductibles will increase, resulting in a smaller SS check in the coming months. I doubt that you will find too many people on SS who will tell you that the cost of living hasn't increased for them in the last year. CONCLUSION: When you reach 65 years old, your government just wants you to die. They can take care of everyone else except the elderly. I hope all you folks over 65 remember how well our government took care of you at election time next year. I know that I will. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on August 24, 2009, 12:22:38 pm The government has lots of money for clunkers to give people who probably can't afford their new car payments. They can give billions to the auto industry and the big bankers. They are giving away of your tax dollars billions as a result of the stimulus package. Now, there's NO money to give an increase to the Social Security recipients. Of course. SS increases are based on some cost of living index and it's flat lined . So, no increase for the next two years. But, Medicare costs and the related deductibles will increase, resulting in a smaller SS check in the coming months. I doubt that you will find too many people on SS who will tell you that the cost of living hasn't increased for them in the last year. CONCLUSION: When you reach 65 years old, your government just wants you to die. They can take care of everyone else except the elderly. I hope all you folks over 65 remember how well our government took care of you at election time next year. I know that I will. Well...I can't argue with that. Dang! ;D Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Guardian Angel on August 24, 2009, 12:26:13 pm It'll be OK, it always is................. ;)
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: granny1 on August 24, 2009, 12:43:56 pm Soap box time. Again Seniors getting the short end of the stick. As our President says so often ,Gov. Represenatives and himself have excellant health benefits. Our Reps and Senators still see fit to vote themselves raises and continue with their perks. Sometimes I think ,why not give up S.S, and live off the system and live better? Because I really believe the older generation have more Pride!!! We have paid our dues ,working hard and paying taxes and raising our children, where as it seems the now generation don't even try and expect to be taken care of. Sorry to be so negative today, but what is happening in our country really gets to me. I will just keep on keeping on and pray for the best. Anyway, beautiful day, let's enjoy it!!!
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: techguy on August 24, 2009, 01:08:59 pm I've already resigned myself to the fact that there will likely be no Social Security for me when I reach retirement age, or if there is it will be woefully inadequate to cover my needs.
Now I'd like to say I've been saving for that eventuality, but... I've got my 401k to fall back on! That's it! Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: nancyo on August 24, 2009, 06:45:30 pm Well I guess I am lucky as I have worked the past couple years at a grade school lunch room and tomorrow is first day back at work. Although I really hadn't planned on continuing work after retirement, I'm grateful I am still in good enough health to work.
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: buzorro on August 24, 2009, 10:03:54 pm To all Social Security recipients:
Welcome to my world... Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: music man on September 05, 2009, 05:24:00 pm The government has lots of money for clunkers to give people who probably can't afford their new car payments. They can give billions to the auto industry and the big bankers. They are giving away of your tax dollars billions as a result of the stimulus package. Now, there's NO money to give an increase to the Social Security recipients. Of course. SS increases are based on some cost of living index and it's flat lined . So, no increase for the next two years. But, Medicare costs and the related deductibles will increase, resulting in a smaller SS check in the coming months. I doubt that you will find too many people on SS who will tell you that the cost of living hasn't increased for them in the last year. CONCLUSION: When you reach 65 years old, your government just wants you to die. They can take care of everyone else except the elderly. I hope all you folks over 65 remember how well our government took care of you at election time next year. I know that I will. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Pretender on September 05, 2009, 05:37:26 pm The way I understand it is that Social Security and Veterans benefits will not see an increase. It's calculated on cost of living and the col is calculated according to inflation. They say that the economy is even on inflation and, perhaps, even movings towards a mode of deflation. The odd part of all of this is that Medicare insurance cost is going up so those on SS will probably see a reduction in their bank accounts. I'm starting to think that all of the increase in taxes should be considered in the calculation of inflation because with less in your bank account and paying more for your taxes the reality is that the cost of living has actually gone up.
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 05, 2009, 05:42:48 pm The way I understand it is that Social Security and Veterans benefits will not see an increase. It's calculated on cost of living and the col is calculated according to inflation. They say that the economy is even on inflation and, perhaps, even movings towards a mode of deflation. The odd part of all of this is that Medicare insurance cost is going up so those on SS will probably see a reduction in their bank accounts. I'm starting to think that all of the increase in taxes should be considered in the calculation of inflation because with less in your bank account and paying more for your taxes the reality is that the cost of living has actually gone up. This is nothing more than a hidden tax on the poor. I'm afraid you're going to see the poor get slammed a lot during the current administration.Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 05, 2009, 08:57:57 pm The way I understand it is that Social Security and Veterans benefits will not see an increase. It's calculated on cost of living and the col is calculated according to inflation. They say that the economy is even on inflation and, perhaps, even movings towards a mode of deflation. The odd part of all of this is that Medicare insurance cost is going up so those on SS will probably see a reduction in their bank accounts. I'm starting to think that all of the increase in taxes should be considered in the calculation of inflation because with less in your bank account and paying more for your taxes the reality is that the cost of living has actually gone up. This is nothing more than a hidden tax on the poor. I'm afraid you're going to see the poor get slammed a lot during the current administration.Yeah but see...if George Bush hadn't stood by with his thumb up his ass and played golf while "terrorists" were preparing an attack on our country -- oh and never mind that he was just too darn busy to read the memos left by the previous administration. That's right...he didn't read...except goat stories to school kids. After that it was down hill from there...he let Cheney run the country into the ground almost from day one because he was clueless...and then over the course of 8 years he never bothered to carry out any kind of oversight over the financial industry at all...until the the country was very nearly destroyed...and all the while telling the American people that the economy was just fine....go shopping. Obama didn't make the mess that this country is in...he's trying to clean it up and get it going again. Obama deserves to have, at the very least, 4 years to clean it up. ::) Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Guardian Angel on September 05, 2009, 10:41:25 pm You go girl.............................. ;D
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 06, 2009, 07:59:18 am The way I understand it is that Social Security and Veterans benefits will not see an increase. It's calculated on cost of living and the col is calculated according to inflation. They say that the economy is even on inflation and, perhaps, even movings towards a mode of deflation. The odd part of all of this is that Medicare insurance cost is going up so those on SS will probably see a reduction in their bank accounts. I'm starting to think that all of the increase in taxes should be considered in the calculation of inflation because with less in your bank account and paying more for your taxes the reality is that the cost of living has actually gone up. This is nothing more than a hidden tax on the poor. I'm afraid you're going to see the poor get slammed a lot during the current administration.Yeah but see...if George Bush hadn't stood by with his thumb up his ass and played golf while "terrorists" were preparing an attack on our country -- oh and never mind that he was just too darn busy to read the memos left by the previous administration. That's right...he didn't read...except goat stories to school kids. After that it was down hill from there...he let Cheney run the country into the ground almost from day one because he was clueless...and then over the course of 8 years he never bothered to carry out any kind of oversight over the financial industry at all...until the the country was very nearly destroyed...and all the while telling the American people that the economy was just fine....go shopping. Obama didn't make the mess that this country is in...he's trying to clean it up and get it going again. Obama deserves to have, at the very least, 4 years to clean it up. ::) Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Chazzy on September 06, 2009, 09:16:31 am The problem is all politicions are so dam crooked. If ur for or against Obama, one thing he and crongress are great at, is spending money, and they are very good at it, I used to be a Demacrat, but here lately they are acting about as greedy as the Repulicans. i think we shud start over . get the ones out of office that has been there for over ten years,make them pay social security, and when they get out let them live off of it..this **** of serving one term and having the best insurance , that the tax payers can buy for them. shud stop and not go on forever , along with wut they were making in office......and where is the change? we still employ Haliburton, Blackwater, with any bidding...it looks like another Nam to me...when snuff kids come home in pieces or body bags from fighting a no win war, being in places we are not welcome.xcept for the big checks that we keep sending to them sandy countries, they do wslcome the checks !!!! maybe, just maybe the country will wake up and say bring our boys HOME!!!
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: buzorro on September 06, 2009, 10:03:00 am There are a couple of major players on this forum who have 'hitched their wagon' to Barky, and if they observe current events, combined with events to come, with 'critical thinking,' it won't take four years for them to admit (at least to themselves), 'Ooops!' The question is, will they openly admit it, as our economy continues to deteriorate and as Barky's wars continue to be waged?
What I see happening is that Bush has destroyed the Repubs future. And depending on how quickly our Empire comes down, I see Barky doing the same for Dems. People will have lost their support for either Party, and if the economy goes into a full-blown Depression (and all the indicators show that it can: manufacturing practically destroyed, high unemployment for years, weakening dollar), and things get ugly (a guy from Detroit said on C-Span this morning that he's been out of work for three years, taken the re-education classes, still can't find work, so he's going to buy a gun to take what he needs to survive - that kind of 'ugly'), all of the laws and executive orders have been signed to implement Martial Law. Voila! Police State and rule by the Secret Government. Where is that 'silver lining?' Answer that question before bashing buzz for being pessimistic. Is there some 'miracle product' that will be invented here in America (and produced in China) that's going to make our country 'great' again? When will Barky's supporters understand 'again' that the person occupying the White House is a 'figure-head' who's been 'allowed' to live there. I agree with them that Bush lacked the mental capacity to form a proper sentence on his own, let alone command the resources necessary to win a prez campaign. But he didn't have to,...he 'had people' that chose him to be prez, and it wasn't us lowly voters either. Who 'really' runs this country? I am a 'slave' to my paycheck. Doesn't your 'income' determine how well you eat, sleep, and are clothed? Who can survive without money? Where does money come from? Does anyone 'believe' they aren't a 'slave?' The perfect slave is one who thinks (believes) he's free. - Author unknown But I suppose that it's 'nice & warm & fuzzy' that Barky has given so many 'hope.' But as I said in another thread, 'We are all Palestinians!' If enough people would recognize who our true 'enemy' is, and fight 'them,' instead of fighting amongst ourselves, then that would bring 'change.' 'Divide and conquer'...the enemy knows how to stay on top. ***** So, the government reports that, because there has been a 'lack of inflation' (blatant lie), those on SS wo't get their COLA raises for two years? What if...prices hyper-inflate this winter? Will the Mayor and County Board Chairman have to go into hiding because of highly irate citizens who have no other outlet in which to 'vent?' What if...the opposite happens, and we experience 'deflation?' Too many products on the shelves, but no one with money to buy them. Stores quit placing orders with their suppliers and layoff employees until their stock goes down. Suppliers lay-off employees, creating more unemployment...more people with no money to 'buy things.' It can't happen here because,...well,...WE'RE #1!!!! Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 06, 2009, 10:49:53 am The thing is...is that when President Obama does do something that will be very beneficial to the American people it is ignored by the media (and Buz). (My hope is that some of you will start asking yourself just why that is.) In the case of Medicare and Medicade...fraud is the major cause of rising costs.
Just recently a 2.3 Billion in fines was paid out by Pfizer...the largest health care fraud settlement in history. Drop in the bucket since this is the 4th time for the habitual offender. Merck paid a record $900+ million in fines for a related case in 2008. Tenet Healthcare paid $700 million in combined fines and claims in 2006. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Where's the outrage! Where's the big tea party for jailing heads of Corporations and Companies that defraud the Federal government??? And Terry...to your credit...you even mentioned "what aren't the CEO's going to jail?) Quote In May 20, 2009, President Obama signed the Fraud Enforcement & Recovery Act of 2009, which included amendments to the False Claims Act. (It was the first time the FCA has been amended since 1986.) With the strengthened laws now on the books, federal investigators may be able to recover many billions more. Anyone hear anything about the above? Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 06, 2009, 10:58:57 am There are a couple of major players on this forum who have 'hitched their wagon' to Barky, and if they observe current events, combined with events to come, with 'critical thinking,' it won't take four years for them to admit (at least to themselves), 'Ooops!' The question is, will they openly admit it, as our economy continues to deteriorate and as Barky's wars continue to be waged? What I see happening is that Bush has destroyed the Repubs future. And depending on how quickly our Empire comes down, I see Barky doing the same for Dems. People will have lost their support for either Party, and if the economy goes into a full-blown Depression (and all the indicators show that it can: manufacturing practically destroyed, high unemployment for years, weakening dollar), and things get ugly (a guy from Detroit said on C-Span this morning that he's been out of work for three years, taken the re-education classes, still can't find work, so he's going to buy a gun to take what he needs to survive - that kind of 'ugly'), all of the laws and executive orders have been signed to implement Martial Law. Voila! Police State and rule by the Secret Government. Where is that 'silver lining?' Answer that question before bashing buzz for being pessimistic. Is there some 'miracle product' that will be invented here in America (and produced in China) that's going to make our country 'great' again? When will Barky's supporters understand 'again' that the person occupying the White House is a 'figure-head' who's been 'allowed' to live there. I agree with them that Bush lacked the mental capacity to form a proper sentence on his own, let alone command the resources necessary to win a prez campaign. But he didn't have to,...he 'had people' that chose him to be prez, and it wasn't us lowly voters either. Who 'really' runs this country? I am a 'slave' to my paycheck. Doesn't your 'income' determine how well you eat, sleep, and are clothed? Who can survive without money? Where does money come from? Does anyone 'believe' they aren't a 'slave?' The perfect slave is one who thinks (believes) he's free. - Author unknown But I suppose that it's 'nice & warm & fuzzy' that Barky has given so many 'hope.' But as I said in another thread, 'We are all Palestinians!' If enough people would recognize who our true 'enemy' is, and fight 'them,' instead of fighting amongst ourselves, then that would bring 'change.' 'Divide and conquer'...the enemy knows how to stay on top. ***** So, the government reports that, because there has been a 'lack of inflation' (blatant lie), those on SS wo't get their COLA raises for two years? What if...prices hyper-inflate this winter? Will the Mayor and County Board Chairman have to go into hiding because of highly irate citizens who have no other outlet in which to 'vent?' What if...the opposite happens, and we experience 'deflation?' Too many products on the shelves, but no one with money to buy them. Stores quit placing orders with their suppliers and layoff employees until their stock goes down. Suppliers lay-off employees, creating more unemployment...more people with no money to 'buy things.' It can't happen here because,...well,...WE'RE #1!!!! The Corpostocracy and Status-Quo appreciate your wing-nutted support in seeing that the Obama presidency fails and the American people are destroyed by their own ignorance. :-* Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: buzorro on September 06, 2009, 06:30:23 pm Wing-nutted? You know, I really expected as much from you. Many probably think that, but you're reputation as a knee-jerk, vocal 'denier' is well-known after all these years.
So, you 'deny' that there forces at work behind the scenes that steer the direction our country is taking? Give me the power to create money, and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild (1744-1812) In case you've forgotten, or never knew, Rothschild sired five sons, four of whom he stationed in European capitals and one in New York City. This was the original international banking cartel, and 'Today, the descendants run a financial empire that covers the world, with branches in Europe, Australia, the United States, Canada, Mexico, Rio de Janeiro, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore.' http://www.answers.com/topic/mayer-rothschild Can I 'assume' that you're aware that international bankers also 'care not' which side wins a war, as long as they're able to 'loan money' to countries engaged in war?...Because they're usually 'loaning money' to both sides? Same with our national elections, dearie. As our own Sen. Durbin blurted out during a radio interview a few months ago, 'Bankers own Congress.' Contribution Bank Obama McCain Goldman Sachs $994,795 $230,095 CitiGroup Inc 701,290 322,051 JP Morgan Chase & Co 695,132 228,107 Morgan Stanley 514,881 273,452 It appears that the 'bankers' wanted Barky in more than McCain. And this: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't disclose. And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as legitimate. http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html Does that not make you go, 'Hmmmm....?' Or does your knee jerk, and you're preparing a 'Barky-hater' response? Flame away.... Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 06, 2009, 09:52:24 pm Wing-nutted? You know, I really expected as much from you. Many probably think that, but you're reputation as a knee-jerk, vocal 'denier' is well-known after all these years. What are you talking about? Knee-jerk, vocal 'denier'? I may have dabbled in moon-battery at times but those days are over. (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii137/zzzz52_2008/bat.gif) Quote So, you 'deny' that there forces at work behind the scenes that steer the direction our country is taking? No...my friend...I deny nothing...on this we absolutely agree! Quote Give me the power to create money, and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild (1744-1812) In case you've forgotten, or never knew, Rothschild sired five sons, four of whom he stationed in European capitals and one in New York City. This was the original international banking cartel, and 'Today, the descendants run a financial empire that covers the world, with branches in Europe, Australia, the United States, Canada, Mexico, Rio de Janeiro, Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore.' http://www.answers.com/topic/mayer-rothschild So what? What does any of this have to do with Obama? Do you think Obama somehow orchestrated the Rothschild financial dynasty before he was born? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? I used to go on about the Rothschild's too but when I started looking for facts that they actually had something to do with the bleeding dry of America...I came up short. It seems the de Rothschilds are not nearly as powerful as they once were when they dominated European banking. Quote On the face of it, this harsh landscape bodes ill for the 58-year-old chairman of Rothschild & Cie Banque and his cousin, Evelyn de Rothschild, chairman of NM Rothschild & Sons, the clan's London-based branch. The fabled Rothschild name was once synonymous with prodigious wealth and power. Today, the Rothschilds head a group whose employees number just 550. The likes of Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, and Citigroup dwarf it. Despite having its best year ever for mergers and acquisitions, the Rothschild group's total investment banking profit for 2000 will be barely $200 million, a fraction of what the big boys take home. With such competition, Rothschild ''is going to be very fragile in the long run,'' says one prominent banker in Paris. Source: Newsweek online - Dec. 2000 issue The ones really in charge would just as soon have you believe the Rothschilds of today have some "agenda" and are behind the looting of this country...because it lets the real culprits off the hook. And....if the truth be known Sweetie Pie....it was Evelyn de Rothschild who backed McCain! Quote Can I 'assume' that you're aware that international bankers also 'care not' which side wins a war, as long as they're able to 'loan money' to countries engaged in war?...Because they're usually 'loaning money' to both sides? Same with our national elections, dearie. As our own Sen. Durbin blurted out during a radio interview a few months ago, 'Bankers own Congress.' Contribution Bank Obama McCain Goldman Sachs $994,795 $230,095 CitiGroup Inc 701,290 322,051 JP Morgan Chase & Co 695,132 228,107 Morgan Stanley 514,881 273,452 It appears that the 'bankers' wanted Barky in more than McCain. And this: Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won't disclose. I know this much...there's a lot of disinformation being strewn about for those looking for a reason to want Obama to fail. You play right into their hands when you accept the lies and half-truths that Obama is some willing corporate tool, rather than have your comfort zone disturbed and believe that a very educated bi-racial social activist wants all Americans to enjoy the fruits of this once great country. He is being forced to play against a stacked deck because of his racial identity and the hatred towards him will be the downfall of us all. So..goody-goody..he will be a miserable failure and the USA will be a third-world-like country but at least you'll be able to pat yourself on the back and say "I told'm so". Quote And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as legitimate. http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html The politician does what will get him re-elected and usually that does not include doing what the fickle voters say they want. What gets him re-elected is campaign contributions. This is they way it's been done for decades. Why blame it on Obama. What have the voters done to change it? No, it's much easier to believe the fraudulent claims of a bunch of rabid Obama haters who are more interested in the politics of personal attack and destruction than they are in seeing anything of importance actually accomplished. I don't like or dislike everything Obama has or hasn't done. I was simply trying to objective and give it some time. What's he going to do now...he doesn't even have the backing of his own party. It's all downhill from here. Stick a fork in him because he's done. Now what? Quote Does that not make you go, 'Hmmmm....?' Or does your knee jerk, and you're preparing a 'Barky-hater' response? Oh take it easy...I am just having a political discussion with you...and maybe I just want to "needle needle" you a little bit. ;D Quote Flame away.... (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii137/zzzz52_2008/thburnbaby.gif) Title: Jeez... Post by: buzorro on September 06, 2009, 10:47:16 pm You 'believed' that I implied that Barky 'orchestrated' the Rothschild Dynasty? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Yeah, right...me dumb. If you 'read into' something in my posts that is obviously whacko, let me suggest that you re-read it. I know that you don't think I am stupid, so why didn't you ask yourself why I would post something so stupid? Why? Does your brain move faster than your fingers?
In one part of your post you 'absolutely' agree with me that there are dark forces at work behind the scenes, and then a few lines down you state that, 'The ones really in charge would just as soon have you believe the Rothschilds of today have some "agenda" and are behind the looting of this country...because it lets the real culprits off the hook. Now that's quite a sentence indeed, and weaves in and out between your previous statement. I'm saying that 'the ones really in charge' ARE the 'Rothschilds of today,' and ARE the 'real culprits.' Tell me who you think the 'real culprits' are. No...let me guess...right-wing, Barky-hatin', nut-jobs! Am I close? IMHO, that's really kinda 'shallow.' And then you go on to say that I 'play right into their hands.' Riiiight.... That I 'accept the lies and half-truths...' Riiiight.... That's just the way I am...my mind is easily persuaded, molded to 'think' how other people want me to think. Riiight... My 'comfort-zone disturbed?' .......I won't 'go there.' And, of course, you did include a couple of references to 'Barky-haters.' You just can't shake that habit, just like the 'Bush-lovers' always referred to critics as 'Bush-haters' when logic failed them. Peace-out.... Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 06, 2009, 11:06:45 pm Just show me some proof that Obama is a willing corporate tool. Can you at least do that?
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 07, 2009, 08:25:48 am What does any of this blabber have to do with the fact that the elderly will not be getting an increase for the next two years ?
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: buzorro on September 07, 2009, 09:14:28 am This 'blabber' has EVERYTHING to do with it, Terry. Maybe George Carlin can explain it better. Listen to what he says about Social Security at the 1:45 mark in this short video. Heck, listen to all of it and the follow-up videos of that performance. George KNEW, just as Jesse Ventura and thousands and hopefully millions of other Americans 'know' what is going on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 07, 2009, 10:26:29 am This 'blabber' has EVERYTHING to do with it, Terry. Maybe George Carlin can explain it better. Listen to what he says about Social Security at the 1:45 mark in this short video. Heck, listen to all of it and the follow-up videos of that performance. George KNEW, just as Jesse Ventura and thousands and hopefully millions of other Americans 'know' what is going on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q Thanks for the post. But, unfortunately, millions of Americans do not know what's going on. George hit the nail on the head. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 07, 2009, 10:32:07 am What does any of this blabber have to do with the fact that the elderly will not be getting an increase for the next two years ? Now Terry..if the truth be told, no one has their snouts up to the trough more than seniors do. Did they not just get one of the largest increases in SS benefits (http://www.seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SocialSecurity/2008/20080915-LargestSocialSecurityCOLA.htm) at the beginning of Jan. this year? I know my own mother isn't complaining. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 07, 2009, 10:39:58 am This is beautiful thing...Buz and Terry singing the praises of George Carlin the Liberal.
Do you two even know what you support? You seem rather confused. ::) Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 07, 2009, 11:05:39 am What does any of this blabber have to do with the fact that the elderly will not be getting an increase for the next two years ? Now Terry..if the truth be told, no one has their snouts up to the trough more than seniors do. Did they not just get one of the largest increases in SS benefits (http://www.seniorjournal.com/NEWS/SocialSecurity/2008/20080915-LargestSocialSecurityCOLA.htm) at the beginning of Jan. this year? I know my own mother isn't complaining. Maybe you should take some time with your mother and explain to her how Obama is giving her the shaft. Assisting the elderly is a good thing to do. And, while I'm no fan of Carlin, he made a valid point. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Title: Ooooooo....I posted something by a liberal...Oooooo That's rich! Post by: buzorro on September 07, 2009, 12:32:02 pm This is beautiful thing...Buz and Terry singing the praises of George Carlin the Liberal. Do you two even know what you support? You seem rather confused. ::) HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! I want you to enlighten my ignorant brain, and explain why George Carlin was a 'liberal.' But read the rest of my post first. Then please read it again before you post your explanation because I don't want any mis-interpretations on your part...again. I've got a City Council member who, to this day, accuses me of being a liberal because I criticized Bush! And now you're confused in thinking that, why, I must be a conservative because I'm criticizing Barky. Because why, DV? Is Barky a 'liberal,' in your opinion? What makes him a 'liberal?' And since you support him, are you putting yourself (proudly?) in the 'liberal' camp? Barky 'promised' to close Gitmo, but left the practice of Bush's 'renditioning' intact, as well as 'indefinite detention.' He 'promised to get our troops out of Iraq right away, then it was 'within 16 months,' then '23 months.' Ooookayyy... He promised workers that he would 're-negotiate NAFTA and GATT'...we're still waiting. He 'dissed' the Patriot Act while he was a Senator, the voted 'for it!' Re-instate Posse Comitatus? We're still waiting on that, too. A lot of people considered Bush to be a 'conservative,' I suppose because 'Pills' Limbaugh told them that he was. He trashed the Bill of Rights, illegally invaded foreign countries and tripled the size of the Federal government. Is that being 'conservative?' Question, DV: In all of my posts, over all of these years, do you ever me remember 'labeling' myself or anyone else? The source of 'our' problems goes way beyond labels. Maybe the 'labelling thing' has what has been encouraged by the brain-washers in our controlled media to keep us divided and squabbling amongst ourselves in order to prevent us from identifying the 'cause' of our nation's demise. If I was to slap a label on someone, I would call our Founding Fathers 'liberal terrorists.' The Tories were the 'conservatives.' Get it? Jesus was a 'conservative' because He held to the traditions of the Old Testament, and 'dissed' the Pharisees and Sadducees for interpreting it in a way that suited them. Are you 'gettin' it yet?' Liberal, conservative...right-wing, left-wing...old, young...black, white...All 'distractions.' Again, I would ask why you really supported Ron Paul? It seems that it wasn't because of the 'values' he espoused... He labelled himself as a 'strict Constitutionalist.' Me too... Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: nancyo on September 07, 2009, 01:16:20 pm Buz regardless of my party affiliation, you have brought up some good points on which to reflect. It's too bad that in order to reach the highest office in the land, you must have kissed so many a*ses on the way that you can no longer be your own person. What we truly need running things is a common no nonsense person who is just a working slob and knows how to balance a budget on next to nothing! Maybe then the government could actually relate to all of us down here in the trenches.
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Chazzy on September 07, 2009, 08:56:51 pm You guys better quit pickin on Obama,,has any of you watched the dvd Obama.DECEPTION....SCAREY...i have no affiliation..... i think they otta buid a prison out in say, the desert and start jailing all the politicions...start low, say the city council, all over the country....then start screening the new ones out , and tell them that will happen to you if you become a crook.....and then work ur way to the top,,they shud start with Polosi..the lil ol airplane she was provided jus wasnt grand enuff for her heiness.she has to have a new 757 to get her back to Califoria once a week, anybody ever thot how much that wud cost tax payers..i heard about 600,000 a week fuel and staff..but hell that isnt nuttin at all any more for the uppity politions...they really do think they own the country..they are above all, they dont have to pay taxes, they appointed to a high position...........and can someone tell me does Obama have a legal birth certificate ??????? AND CANT WE ALL JUS GET ALONG?
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Guardian Angel on September 07, 2009, 09:18:49 pm Yes, Obama has a legal birth certificate! That rumor has been debunked over and over and over. And about Nancy Palosi's plane, I am not a fan of hers but that is mostly false. You can check it out at Snopes.com. under this link http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.aspk It seems that the former president Bush ordered a bigger jet for her because she was speaker of the house for safety reasons, but you need to read it for yourself. Oh, and where on earth did you hear that the politicians don't have to pay taxes...... ???
Title: Re: Ooooooo....I posted something by a liberal...Oooooo That's rich! Post by: DejaVu on September 08, 2009, 12:33:48 am This is beautiful thing...Buz and Terry singing the praises of George Carlin the Liberal. Do you two even know what you support? You seem rather confused. ::) Quote HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! ::) Quote I want you to enlighten my ignorant brain, and explain why George Carlin was a 'liberal.' But read the rest of my post first. Then please read it again before you post your explanation because I don't want any mis-interpretations on your part...again. I never said you or your brain are ignorant. I figure in most conservative circles they would consider him to be a liberal but maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was just anti-establishment. Quote I've got a City Council member who, to this day, accuses me of being a liberal because I criticized Bush! And now you're confused in thinking that, why, I must be a conservative because I'm criticizing Barky. Because why, DV? Is Barky a 'liberal,' in your opinion? What makes him a 'liberal?' And since you support him, are you putting yourself (proudly?) in the 'liberal' camp? I've gotten accused of being everything across the political spectrum myself. Sometimes you come off as being not just conservative -- but neo-conservative! Especially when you post links to neo-con websites like Drudge and World Net Daily. Yes, Obama is suppose to be a Liberal Democrat I guess...but the Liberals are pissed off at him because they say he's moved to far to the center. I am supportive of Obama because I believe he is trying to turn the country around. I don't see any ulterior motives in his actions or that he has some kind of agenda to destroy America and purposely make life for the working man/woman even worse than it already is...but it seems that you do. We just disagree is all...no big deal. I live with a man that I politically disagree with all the time. I believe it's his right to his own thoughts and feelings. And he understands when I try to tell him (at the top of my lungs) that he shouldn't think like that because he will have bad Karma and have to pay for it. I'm only thinking of him. I don't consider myself a Liberal but I agree with some Liberal philosophies and some Conservative ones....but for the most part I'm in the middle...a Centrist...and I vote the man/woman, not the party and labels are meaningless. Quote Barky 'promised' to close Gitmo, but left the practice of Bush's 'renditioning' intact, as well as 'indefinite detention.' He 'promised to get our troops out of Iraq right away, then it was 'within 16 months,' then '23 months.' Ooookayyy... He promised workers that he would 're-negotiate NAFTA and GATT'...we're still waiting. He 'dissed' the Patriot Act while he was a Senator, the voted 'for it!' Re-instate Posse Comitatus? We're still waiting on that, too. Well...I think it was truly his intention to close Gitmo but the wing-nuts in his own party besides the wing-nuts on the other side started having a sh!t fit so I seriously doubt Ron Paul would or could have done anything different with his hands tied as Obama's are. Quote A lot of people considered Bush to be a 'conservative,' I suppose because 'Pills' Limbaugh told them that he was. He trashed the Bill of Rights, illegally invaded foreign countries and tripled the size of the Federal government. Is that being 'conservative?' No, I never considered Bush to be conservative...I always considered him to be the useful idiot that he was. Quote Question, DV: In all of my posts, over all of these years, do you ever me remember 'labeling' myself or anyone else? No, I don't remember. Quote The source of 'our' problems goes way beyond labels. Maybe the 'labelling thing' has what has been encouraged by the brain-washers in our controlled media to keep us divided and squabbling amongst ourselves in order to prevent us from identifying the 'cause' of our nation's demise. That's it exactly Buz. This is what I have been trying to convey for quite some time now. When was the last time you heard a cheer go out from we the people...the whole nation in unison. "United we stand, Divided we Fall" we have forgotten what that means...or maybe we never really knew. Keeping us divided into smaller and smaller politically labeled sub-groups and pitting one side against the other. It's done consistently and with purpose. Divide and conquer. America was THE richest country in the world and look where we are now. Obama really does want to make a difference. If you find out what he really is about, what kind of man he is, what kind of father, what kind of husband -- then you should know in your heart what kind of leader he wants to be. Quote If I was to slap a label on someone, I would call our Founding Fathers 'liberal terrorists.' The Tories were the 'conservatives.' Get it? Jesus was a 'conservative' because He held to the traditions of the Old Testament, and 'dissed' the Pharisees and Sadducees for interpreting it in a way that suited them. Are you 'gettin' it yet?' What I'm gettin'....is that I think you need to come down off you high horse. Quote Liberal, conservative...right-wing, left-wing...old, young...black, white...All 'distractions.' Yes, maybe you're the one gettin'....it. Quote Again, I would ask why you really supported Ron Paul? It seems that it wasn't because of the 'values' he espoused... He labelled himself as a 'strict Constitutionalist.' Me too... I haven't really examined all my thoughts about Ron Paul. I certainly believed in his message of freedom and peace. I still do. I really have no use for labels but if you would like me think of you that way...I'll be more than happy to. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Chazzy on September 08, 2009, 08:50:05 am im sorry about them not having to pay taxes, the politicions. im saying a lot of them DONT.until they get gaught, and if Obama has that certificate, why has it not got out to the public, and stop these RUMORS?..and you just proved my point, i dont care who gave Polosi her plane....WE DID!!!!! and she cud have said NO..ALL POLITICIONS are crooks....the legal mafia...all they are ........talking heads...olny poeple they want to help is the banks, and wall street..and the corparations..but when i see the tent cities springing up all over the country, not just hobo"s anymore , but famalies, and a lot of them working, but dont make enuff to rent or buy a place..older people having to choose buying food or their medicine...like i said im neither REPUBLICAN OR DEMACRAT. anymore..i dont know about you, but it really bothers me to see tha hardships that a lot of people are going thru, and then seeing the politicains on T.V. in their custom made suits and dresses, getting outta their limo, and telling the commoners ( that be us ) they want to help us ...they are raising all them taxes for our own good..one more thing.i seen BARNEY FRANK calling a woman at a town hall meeting , stupid ,ignorant, and about as stupid as a table, and he wont talk to someone that stupid.it was one of those stories that wasnt shown much..Well thats enuff, only reason i came to this link was they stopped talking about the good ol days in the memories
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: granny1 on September 08, 2009, 09:09:07 am DJ. I am offended at the way you worded your statement about Senior citizens having their snouts at the trough. We have paid our dues ,working all our adult lives and paying taxes.I am glad your mother is not concerned ,well I am. COL keeps us able to pay for increases in Medicare ,insurance, etc which incidentally still raises. It bothers me that the govt. reps still get their raises, when the average citizen gets less. I was told by a friend that her relative ,living on welfare just got an increase. Maybe that is what we Seniors who have our noses at the TROUGH need to do. Go on welfare and not worry anymore. No offense to you, you have a right to voice your opion as we all do. Just keep in mind, we Seniors gave you your start. Thanks
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Winston on September 08, 2009, 10:00:07 am Granny1, oops, sorry, I might be more to blame for DejaVu's "snout" reference as I made typically smart-aleck remarks a while back about capitalist/socialist pigs (common phrase) at the trough; perhaps she was just following through with that image. I'm sure she meant no offense to those who have worked hard and paid their dues; certainly neither did I. Clearly she expresses disgust and outrage over the gross inequities from irresponsible government money-handling, as much as we all do. My apology if my own snide remarks or perspective might color others' at times. :-[
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Guardian Angel on September 08, 2009, 10:57:02 am Winston, I am with you......I am sure she meant no offense either................. ;)
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 08, 2009, 11:23:31 am DJ. I am offended at the way you worded your statement about Senior citizens having their snouts at the trough. We have paid our dues ,working all our adult lives and paying taxes.I am glad your mother is not concerned ,well I am. COL keeps us able to pay for increases in Medicare ,insurance, etc which incidentally still raises. It bothers me that the govt. reps still get their raises, when the average citizen gets less. I was told by a friend that her relative ,living on welfare just got an increase. Maybe that is what we Seniors who have our noses at the TROUGH need to do. Go on welfare and not worry anymore. No offense to you, you have a right to voice your opion as we all do. Just keep in mind, we Seniors gave you your start. Thanks You're right Granny, what I said was offensive and I apologize to you all the seniors who have worked hard all their lives. It was meant as sarcasm directed at another poster. The "seniors snout in the trough" reference came from my reading the phrase posted by some right-winger on another site. My true feeling is that people who have labored all their lives deserve to retire and live a comfortable life. The thing is...Social Security will no longer be able to be funded by 2017 unless the whole of the entitlements programs are reformed and restructured. This is not Obama's fault, this is the fault of previous leaders and government officials that we have put in office. Take a look at the graph below and see where the money is going. Federal Budget Expenditures 2008 (http://www.theglitteringeye.com/images/FedBudgetExpenditures2008.jpg) Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 08, 2009, 11:28:28 am Winston, I am with you......I am sure she meant no offense either................. ;) Ah...thanks you guys for sticking up for me. I'm just as capable of sticking my foot in my big mouth as anyone else and Granny was right to call me on it. ;) Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 08, 2009, 02:19:40 pm I'm sure Obama will find the money to continue to fund Social Security.
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: granny1 on September 08, 2009, 02:43:27 pm Thanks DJ. Apology not neccesary. Sometimes, myself included, say things out of context, not thinking how it will be taken. I appreciate your views on this forum and look forward to more debate. Sad to think our country has gotten to this point, I don't place the blame on any one administration, this has been coming for a lot of years. The warning signs were just not heeded and it has come to this point. All of our leaders in the past years have failed us in one way or another. Good thing I have Faith!! Thanks
Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Terry on September 08, 2009, 03:09:50 pm No one needs to worry about their future Social Security benefits. In spite of what you may have heard, there isn't one politician who would vote for any plan that would eliminate either.
Find it comforting to understand that politicians love their jobs and the money and perks that comes with it. While they may not give a rats rear end about you, they do not want to jeopardize their cushy little lifestyles. The one thing that they all know is that if they push the issue on these items, they'll be looking for new jobs. And, to them, that's a fate worse than death. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 08, 2009, 03:19:49 pm Thanks DJ. Apology not neccesary. Sometimes, myself included, say things out of context, not thinking how it will be taken. I appreciate your views on this forum and look forward to more debate. Sad to think our country has gotten to this point, I don't place the blame on any one administration, this has been coming for a lot of years. The warning signs were just not heeded and it has come to this point. All of our leaders in the past years have failed us in one way or another. Good thing I have Faith!! Thanks It is sad Granny. My feeling is....until we understand how we got to this place, we will never be able fix it and make it better...for ourselves and those who will come after us. :'( Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: DejaVu on September 08, 2009, 03:47:25 pm No one needs to worry about their future Social Security benefits. In spite of what you may have heard, there isn't one politician who would vote for any plan that would eliminate either. Find it comforting to understand that politicians love their jobs and the money and perks that comes with it. While they may not give a rats rear end about you, they do not want to jeopardize their cushy little lifestyles. The one thing that they all know is that if they push the issue on these items, they'll be looking for new jobs. And, to them, that's a fate worse than death. I don't think we can take comfort that our votes will change anything. The status quo funds both sides so that they never lose. Title: Re: NO SOCIAL SECURITY INCREASE Post by: Chazzy on September 08, 2009, 07:54:01 pm No apology needed DJ, i just hope for my grandsons sake that it will be o.k. when they get old enuff,...which they are gettin close.....me i just dont like the political system....to many have their own agenda..and thats not the welfar of the people....................and that pie is great, but can do an apple or blackberry? |