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Title: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Westville Girl on August 27, 2009, 07:22:49 am
I'm very curious if there are any other folks around here who are familiar with the Law of Attraction? I came across the teachings of Abraham about four years ago and it changed my whole outlook on life...


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: DejaVu on August 27, 2009, 08:24:49 am
I'm very curious if there are any other folks around here who are familiar with the Law of Attraction? I came across the teachings of Abraham about four years ago and it changed my whole outlook on life...

Great topic! I've heard of the "law of attraction" but I've only understood it to be your thoughts can sort of work as a magnet...and that can be good or bad. I don't know anything about the teachings of Abraham. Is that the biblical Abraham?


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Westville Girl on August 28, 2009, 08:09:31 am
No, not biblical Abraham....Here's a link to their website; I love to start my mornings with their "Quote of the Day"....
These folks also have a fantastic YouTube channel....

http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php

http://www.youtube.com/user/AbrahamHicks

Change your thoughts, change your life!!


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: DejaVu on August 28, 2009, 12:42:42 pm
Thanks for the links Westville Girl. I can't wait to check them out!


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Guardian Angel on August 28, 2009, 03:12:25 pm
I've seen the video before but intend to watch it agian....... ;)


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Winston on August 28, 2009, 03:36:10 pm
http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php    ...
Change your thoughts, change your life!!

And maybe change someone's bank balance?  ... Particularly the ones hawking their "secrets to spiritual success" ($400 "seminars"?  $400+ CRUISES?!  Caramba!)   :o

Whether "New Age Thinking" or that "old-time religion," I find it wisest not to buy into (literally) any "spiritual formula" that expects $$ in return for "teachings" -- Church of the Outstretched Palm, as it were.  :-[  (The thing to remember about Free Religion, Free Speech, Free Thinking -- hey, it oughta remain FREE, not costly.  So if you can get any good free info to HELP, not hoodwink, your mind, body or soul -- whether off the 'net,  from a library, group or even a pal -- more power to ya!)

So yes, thanks for starting this topic, Westville Girl, not for the same inspiration you find in it (but just so I can preach my own, ha).  For example, the "daily word" from the source you just linked:
Quote
You simply cannot get to where you want to be by controlling or eliminating the unwanted.
--- Abraham

Goodie! -- that means I don't have to take out the garbage or weed the garden or demand my neighbor stop infringing on my boundaries or instill manners in children, rude and crude adults, etc.   ::)

(So, are the Hicks, with their endless infusion of such "revelations" from a great heretofore silent spirit who found powerful voice only through Esther, NOT attempting to eliminate others' unwanted thought and behavior?)

If a person believes in "channeling," I suppose that person can believe in ANYTHING.  What I believe in regard to such malarkey:  change the channel!

Seeking spiritual awareness and head-in-the-heavens postulating are all well and good, as long as feet remain solidly on ground and money stays firmly in wallet. 

And sure, daily affirmations can be a healthy habit, like daily washing and sensible eating.  But too many of these "power of positive (wishful?) thinking" fads smack of unhealthy, unhelpful Pollyannaism, if not pure hucksterism, especially the ones that, in effect, try to sell Our Father Who Art as some divine sugar-daddy.  (Think only good thoughts and only good will happen?  Yeah, right.  Tell that to all in crisis mode today and they may tell you positively where to go.)

I could drone on and on about this (and am! :D), but would surely become offensive to the same degree as I am offended by all happy-clapping blindness and brainwashing -- from soup-du-jour spirituality to fanaticism, pseudo-religion to cult enslavement -- dense people desperately seeking "A Path" and ending up down a wrong one.  Think:  Jim Jones' People's Temple, Koresh's Waco clan, Baghwan Rajneesh's rainbow-heads,  Moonies and loonies like the Heaven's Gaters (-- by the way, a person connected to that suicidal mess went on to create the highly invasive Zabasearch online people finder, "Oh no! they know where we live!" -- gulp), Scientology, Madonna's Kabbalah, Doukhobors, and endless degrees of fundamentalist Christians/Mormons/Muslims/Whatevers -- all the same Devout Madmen the world over.   

My point: a fine line exists between spiritual awareness, mental illness and manipulation;  beware anyone wanting to guide (sell?) your mind on heavenly matters -- heaven may not turn out to be so divine after all.  At worst, you may end up there way too soon.  At best, your bank account might just go to heck.

Uh-oh, it's daytime -- am I being too serious again?   In that case, no matter who the "spiritual guide," just keep up the good, good, GOOD, good vibrations!  (I missed the Beatles "All You Need is Love" night, so back to Beach Boys I guess.  Chuck Berry's "Maybelline" is good at "motivatin'" too, tho!)   ;D

Seriously, I'm all for Self Help as long as it really HELPS, not hinders.  And being realistically cheerful and hopeful CAN at times help.   But moreso,  practicality can --  first seeing the bad in order to eradicate it to bring about the good.  The easiest, best, (most "attractive"?) "law" I've ever found in decades of metaphysical sifting is simply the good ol' Golden Rule.  And a lot quicker to read!  ;D

(Whew.  I'm done now [let's hope].  Bet you weren't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!  Thanks for letting me rant.  No need to pass the plate, ha.  Glory be.)   ;)


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: DejaVu on August 28, 2009, 06:16:19 pm
You simply cannot get to where you want to be by controlling or eliminating the unwanted.


Why not? Maybe that just means you take out the garbage or weed the garden of your inner self. (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii137/zzzz52_2008/yinyang.gif)

Know what I mean! (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_slVFtEzHw4g/SGhTxu3CvdI/AAAAAAAAAWg/X_pHkehI94I/s400/ernest.jpg)


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Guardian Angel on August 28, 2009, 06:48:55 pm
"Seeking spiritual awareness and head-in-the-heavens postulating are all well and good, as long as feet remain solidly on ground and money stays firmly in wallet."

Ain't it the truth!................. ;D 


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: DejaVu on August 28, 2009, 07:25:45 pm
"Seeking spiritual awareness and head-in-the-heavens postulating are all well and good, as long as feet remain solidly on ground and money stays firmly in wallet."

Ain't it the truth!................. ;D 


I agree, there are plenty of scams and scammers out there, no doubt about it....and keeping feet on the ground and the BS meter on is good advice. 


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Winston on August 28, 2009, 10:56:05 pm
Ok, so maybe I'm NOT quite done yet, sorry.   ;)

Quote
You simply cannot get to where you want to be by controlling or eliminating the unwanted. --- Abraham
Why not? Maybe that just means you take out the garbage or weed the garden of your inner self.

Precisely, DejaVu.  And I believe that's one of the many good things an accepting, open forum such as this (or any open attempt at communication) allows -- unloading our own private gar-bahge, weeds and seeds of doubt into the vast sewage system of the internet, for all to poke around, and to say, ... erggh, where's the Jokes Thread?...   :D ...  No, wait, to offer our view of WHAT'S IMPORTANT IN LIFE, what might encourage us, and what maybe to avoid.

Westville Girl, I hope I wasn't too harsh or unclear in my castigation of something you and so many others may actually find uplifting and strengthening.   I'm not directing any criticism whatsoever at YOU or well-intentioned souls, just at the many wolves in sheep's clothing "out there" who indeed rip off those earnestly "seeking a better understanding or a gentler way."  For all I know, the Hickses may be 100% sincere in their altruistic aims.   Hope so!

Someone I used to think harmless and pleasant in a similar Self Help vein was Wayne Dyer (often on PBS fund-drives with his inspirational intent and public appeal, and who even collaborated with the Hickses at least once).  He, somewhat like wise old owl Ben Franklin as "Poor Richard," throws out platitudes from all kinds of religious/spiritual and folksy wisdom.  Also all well and good, but again, I tend not to lose sight that he too is primarily out there to hawk his wares.   Even so, many of his "daily affirmations" can also be a helpful or contemplative way to start the day.

http://www.drwaynedyer.com/daily-inspiration/yesterday

I hope Penteller "is attracted" to make his way over here to this forum and topic, because it seems he'd have something of interest and conviction to add.


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Westville Girl on August 29, 2009, 08:41:12 am
Well Winston, I was absolutely expecting some witty retorts from you!  I understood full well when I started this topic that it would not go unchallenged, especially in this part of the country lol... No offense taken, and I will address a few things you brought up....

OK first of all regarding Abraham-Hicks as "scam artists":    These folks have and continue to make a huge volume of information available for free - everything you need to know to understand the Law of Attraction and put it to work for you is available free of charge; if you choose to buy books or go on cruises that is your decision; I know folks who've gone on the cruises; they mostly end up raving about how much fun they have going on a cruise with like-minded individuals..Most of the people who go belong to an online forum and talk on a daily basis, so it's a chance for them to get together in person....
Everything I've learned from Abraham-Hicks, I've learned for free, so I hope that addresses that concern a little....
Let's not forget how many other people from all walks of life make money by helping others - is it your premise then that anyone who helps others for a living should not be allowed to profit from that activity?

There are many teachers of Law of Attraction;  these folks just happen to have struck a chord with me.....

Guardian Angel:  I agree with your quote completely, and grounded is good!  One of my favorite things about Law of Attraction also is that it transcends religious barriers; anyone of any religion, or of no religion at all, can exercise control over their own brain without violating their spiritual beliefs...  ;)

The main gist of Law Attraction is this:   That which is like unto itself is drawn.....Your thoughts are a sort of magnet, and they attract the essence of whatever you are thinking about - EVEN IF YOU ARE THINKING OF SOMETHING YOU DO NOT WANT.....And noooo, my inner being does not take out the trash for me lol....We have these wonderful bodies at our disposal, this is not an accident lol....

You should check out the movie  (NOT an Abraham-Hicks production lol) called "What the Bleep Do We Know?!"   It's about recent discoveries in the field of quantum physics.....

http://www.whatthebleep.com/

Yeah, yeah, I know, they wanna make money too hahaha.....Nonetheless, this can be viewed online for free, and I rented it from a local video store for one dollar .....

I am by nature a skeptic;  a wonderful thing about Law of Attraction is that (for me at least) it is an observable phenomenon.....Abraham-Hicks' challenge to everyone who encounters their material is to try consciously directing your thoughts and see how it works out for you....That sounded simple enough for even a skeptic such as I (nothing to buy, nothing to lose by using my brain a bit differently) so I tried it;  and I can say now after the past four years that, if nothing else, gaining conscious control over your own thoughts and choosing the best ones is absolutely one of the best things I've ever done....My intuition is more dead-on, my analytical skills are sharper, I have better insight into other peoples' feelings and motivations, and I'm a much happier person....I also find I get "lucky" about things more often, and have a lot less unfortunate little surprises in life....


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Westville Girl on August 29, 2009, 09:28:19 am
Upon further reading of Winston's post, I decided to pick up a few more tidbits and address them - no offense Winston, I enjoy such exchanges   ;D
Was just channel-surfing a bit and noticed that many people are succeeding in making a profit on the basic human necessities (food, shelter, water, HEALTH CARE) etc)...Is this somehow morally more acceptable to you, that so many should be homeless and hungry and sick, and so many others should be growing rich off selling these commodities?
As for "those in crisis":    I was in crisis when I found this information; I continue to have very difficult circumstances in some areas of my life....However, the lesson of Law of Attraction as I've learned it is this:  No matter WHAT the circumstances around you, there is one thing you DO have control over and it is your own mind....You can choose to believe that things will remain as they are (thereby attracting more of the same) or you can choose to believe that things will improve (thereby attracting an improved circumstance)....So, the question is, if I understand all this, how could I be in any sort of crisis still? Because I have YEARS and YEARS of mental conditioning to overcome and consistently have a better attitude haha, cause I started out being SUCH a negative creep!  But I definitely notice that my circumstances improve in relation to the improvements I make in my thoughts; I am a work-in-progress lol.....
I was never much into the power of positive thinking just for the sake of thinking positive; to me, this seemed an avoidance of "reality", and I'm too much of a realist to buy into such a thing...I had a "hope for the best and prepare for the worst" sort of attitude.....I now understand that if you have two conflicting thoughts like that, you basically put yourself in neutral;  however, when you wrap your mind around the premise that your thoughts actually have a DIRECT AND TANGIBLE EFFECT on the physical world, positive thinking takes on a whole new meaning....
There, I just said nearly everything anyone needs to know about Law of Attraction; I learned it for free and shared it for free!!


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Winston on August 29, 2009, 10:59:36 am
Westville  Girl, excellent responses!  No argument here on any of them.  So glad to hear of your a) skepticism, b) fair judgment, c) frugality, and d) new improved thought control.  As I said (with sincerity, but which may get lost amidst my sarcasm and quips), more power to you.   As we're all different animals on this realm with different perceptions (just ask DejaVu's bug :D), we all develop under different circumstances and speed.

In answer to your questions:
" is it your premise then that anyone who helps others for a living should not be allowed to profit from that activity?" and "Is this somehow morally more acceptable to you, that so many should be homeless and hungry and sick, and so many others should be growing rich off selling these commodities?"
Heck NO!  Those who truly help others deserve a LOT;  all greedy gold-diggers, no matter what their industry or entertainment, and "Prosperity Preachers and Practitioners" who sell FALSE promises and hopes (including so many of our health "carers") -- thereby helping themselves to others' pocketbooks through deception or deviance -- need to be hogtied and scorned, if not flogged.  (But I always forgave Tammy Faye Bakker because she obviously needed a lot of money for make-up.  ;)  Their gold faucets were a bit much though.)   :-[

Er, I think DejaVu meant an "inner being" to take out the "INNER trash" (mean, cruel, hateful thoughts, etc).  (My inner being just tends to recycle all mine, ha.)  ;D

Yes, we are what we eat, and what we think, and what we do.   Unfortunately, as you well know, not everyone is blessed with "wonderful bodies" or minds or situations that can allow them the luxury of "capability," of clear thinking or doing (again, whether the extreme examples of those poor Fritzl and recently discovered imprisoned children, or any disabled ("imprisoned" in their own bodies), or downtrodden -- quantum physics and their own thought patterns can hardly secure their capability or freedom, perhaps only a long-suffering endurance of their captivity or pain).

But so many "free, able-minded and able-bodied" suffer though a self-induced and disabling spiritual captivity, tethered to and numbed by the (negatively creepy!?) crass materialistic, glitzy and green-eyed world around us (beckoning smooth cruisin' and a McMansion in every pot?), and never even consider giving minds, hearts or souls a chance for growth or escape.  I'm happy you have found your own way to increasing awareness.

And thanks for freely sharing your instruction (even if some of us may have got it elsewhere earlier on).   (Thanks too for the nice big blue script -- makes the exchange far more receptive and pleasant.)


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Guardian Angel on August 29, 2009, 11:14:35 am
I guess I was born a positive thinker.  My parents were positive thinkers and I just never allowed negative thinking to overcome me.  It's all in the attitude.  I always thought I would do better and always did.  Now that I am retired and basically living on Social Security I know that I will still make it and I do.  Things always work out if you think they will.  Call it what you will................I know what you are saying because I have lived it all my life and everytime I read a book or watch someone talking about positive thinking it just reinforces what I already know.  


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Winston on August 29, 2009, 11:42:11 am
Guess I was born with some inner awareness of electrodynamics (or maybe just messed with batteries a lot as a kid ;)):  both positive and negative forces are needed to get the juice flowing! (Granted, that's not taking quantum physics into view, but hey, let's not get too technical here.)  ;D

Without a doubt, positive improvement cannot (ooh, is that a NEGATIVE?!) be begun until it is envisioned, but when there's a big bad old problem that needs fixing, the realization and negative assessment that IT'S BAD must first (positively) be made. 

Still, The Little Engine that Could is an excellent  primer for all!   ;D


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Westville Girl on August 31, 2009, 08:50:51 am

Without a doubt, positive improvement cannot (ooh, is that a NEGATIVE?!) be begun until it is envisioned, but when there's a big bad old problem that needs fixing, the realization and negative assessment that IT'S BAD must first (positively) be made. 

Still, The Little Engine that Could is an excellent  primer for all!   ;D

You are sharp as a tack Winston, and absolutely correct  ;)....The contrast of what is NOT wanted is essential to deciding what IS wanted....You can look it as "positive" and "negative", but it is a matter of contrast, and you are correct that it is necessary....The trick with Law of Attraction is to realize that the "negative" experience is not something you want to dwell on, just something you want to use to help you focus on what you DO really want...And yes, even when you are in crisis, you have a choice about your thoughts....


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Guardian Angel on August 31, 2009, 10:52:17 am
I'll second that................. ;)


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Winston on August 31, 2009, 12:50:18 pm
You are sharp as a tack Winston ... ;)

Gorsh, thankee kindly.  (Much nicer way to phrase it than saying I'm ...  really TACKY!  :D)

Yeppers, crisis mode at rock bottom = most crucial time to think "only way out is UP!"  Then seek a reliable elevator, if not take the stairs.

(Speaking of ROCK bottom and stairs, for some reason "Stairway to Heaven" still usually ranks up there as "greatest" song.  Then again, "Dazed and Confused" is just as meaningful for some of us.) ;D


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: TEN on December 24, 2009, 10:43:56 am
I'll second that................. ;)
There is only two kinds of food on this earth.ANGIE FOOD and DEVILSF FOOD.JUST depends on which voice you listen to.Positive thinking only works if you combtne it with positive action,Change the way you see thibgs and the things will change.Bibler says what you believe in your heart you are.To know where the voice comes from uou must know what the Bible says.I do not hsve all the answers,just enouff to mak it work.  TEN


Title: Re: Law Of Attraction....
Post by: Guardian Angel on December 24, 2009, 03:26:53 pm
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