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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2009, 09:18:49 pm »

Yes, Obama has a legal birth certificate!  That rumor has been debunked over and over and over.   And about Nancy Palosi's plane, I am not a fan of hers but that is mostly false.  You can check it out at Snopes.com.  under this link   http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.aspk   It seems that the former president Bush ordered a bigger jet for her because she was speaker of the house for safety reasons, but you need to read it for yourself.  Oh, and where on earth did you hear that the politicians don't have to pay taxes...... Huh
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2009, 12:33:48 am »

This is beautiful thing...Buz and Terry singing the praises of George Carlin the Liberal.

Do you two even know what you support? You seem rather confused.  Roll Eyes

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HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

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I want you to enlighten my ignorant brain, and explain why George Carlin was a 'liberal.'  But read the rest of my post first.  Then please read it again before you post your explanation because I don't want any mis-interpretations on your part...again.

I never said you or your brain are ignorant. I figure in most conservative circles they would consider him to be a liberal but maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was just anti-establishment.

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I've got a City Council member who, to this day, accuses me of being a liberal because I criticized Bush!  And now you're confused in thinking that, why, I must be a conservative because I'm criticizing Barky.  Because why, DV?  Is Barky a 'liberal,' in your opinion? What makes him a 'liberal?'  And since you support him, are you putting yourself (proudly?) in the 'liberal' camp?

I've gotten accused of being everything across the political spectrum myself. Sometimes you come off as being not just conservative -- but neo-conservative! Especially when you post links to neo-con websites like Drudge and World Net Daily. Yes, Obama is suppose to be a Liberal Democrat I guess...but the Liberals are pissed off at him because they say he's moved to far to the center. I am supportive of Obama because I believe he is trying to turn the country around. I don't see any ulterior motives in his actions or that he has some kind of agenda to destroy America and purposely make life for the working man/woman even worse than it already is...but it seems that you do. We just disagree is all...no big deal. I live with a man that I politically disagree with all the time. I believe it's his right to his own thoughts and feelings. And he understands when I try to tell him (at the top of my lungs) that he shouldn't think like that because he will have bad Karma and have to pay for it. I'm only thinking of him.

I don't consider myself a Liberal but I agree with some Liberal philosophies and some Conservative ones....but for the most part I'm in the middle...a Centrist...and I vote the man/woman, not the party and labels are meaningless.

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Barky 'promised' to close Gitmo, but left the practice of Bush's 'renditioning' intact, as well as 'indefinite detention.'  He 'promised to get our troops out of Iraq right away, then it was 'within 16 months,' then '23 months.'  Ooookayyy...  He promised workers that he would 're-negotiate NAFTA and GATT'...we're still waiting.  He 'dissed' the Patriot Act while he was a Senator, the voted 'for it!'  Re-instate Posse Comitatus?  We're still waiting on that, too.

Well...I think it was truly his intention to close Gitmo but the wing-nuts in his own party besides the wing-nuts on the other side started having a sh!t fit so I seriously doubt Ron Paul would or could have done anything different with his hands tied as Obama's are.

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A lot of people considered Bush to be a 'conservative,' I suppose because 'Pills' Limbaugh told them that he was.  He trashed the Bill of Rights, illegally invaded foreign countries and tripled the size of the Federal government.  Is that being 'conservative?'

No, I never considered Bush to be conservative...I always considered him to be the useful idiot that he was.

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Question, DV:  In all of my posts, over all of these years, do you ever me remember 'labeling' myself or anyone else? 


No, I don't remember.

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The source of 'our' problems goes way beyond labels.  Maybe the 'labelling thing' has what has been encouraged by the brain-washers in our controlled media to keep us divided and squabbling amongst ourselves in order to prevent us from identifying the 'cause' of our nation's demise.

That's it exactly Buz. This is what I have been trying to convey for quite some time now. When was the last time you heard a cheer go out from we the people...the whole nation in unison. "United we stand, Divided we Fall" we have forgotten what that means...or maybe we never really knew. Keeping us divided into smaller and smaller politically labeled sub-groups and pitting one side against the other. It's done consistently and with purpose. Divide and conquer. America was THE richest country in the world and look where we are now. Obama really does want to make a difference. If you find out what he really is about, what kind of man he is, what kind of father, what kind of husband -- then you should know in your heart what kind of leader he wants to be. 

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If I was to slap a label on someone, I would call our Founding Fathers 'liberal terrorists.'  The Tories were the 'conservatives.'  Get it?  Jesus was a 'conservative' because He held to the traditions of the Old Testament, and 'dissed' the Pharisees and Sadducees for interpreting it in a way that suited them.  Are you 'gettin' it yet?'

What I'm gettin'....is that I think you need to come down off you high horse.

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Liberal, conservative...right-wing, left-wing...old, young...black, white...All 'distractions.'

Yes, maybe you're the one gettin'....it.

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Again, I would ask why you really supported Ron Paul?  It seems that it wasn't because of the 'values' he espoused... He labelled himself as a 'strict Constitutionalist.'  Me too...

I haven't really examined all my thoughts about Ron Paul. I certainly believed in his message of freedom and peace. I still do.

I really have no use for labels but if you would like me think of you that way...I'll be more than happy to.



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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2009, 08:50:05 am »

im sorry about them not having to pay taxes, the politicions. im saying a lot of them DONT.until they get gaught, and if Obama has that certificate, why has it not got out to the public, and stop these RUMORS?..and you just proved my point, i dont care who gave Polosi her plane....WE DID!!!!! and she cud have said NO..ALL POLITICIONS  are crooks....the legal mafia...all they are ........talking heads...olny poeple they want to help is the banks, and wall street..and the corparations..but when i see the tent cities springing up all over the country, not just hobo"s anymore , but famalies, and a lot of them working, but dont make enuff to rent or buy a place..older people having to choose buying food or their medicine...like i said im neither REPUBLICAN OR DEMACRAT. anymore..i dont know about you, but it really bothers me to see tha hardships that a lot of people are going thru, and then seeing the politicains on T.V. in their custom made suits and dresses, getting outta their limo, and telling the commoners ( that be us )  they want to help us ...they are raising all them taxes for our own good..one more thing.i seen BARNEY FRANK calling a woman at a town hall meeting , stupid ,ignorant, and about as stupid as a table, and he wont talk to someone that stupid.it was one of those stories that wasnt shown much..Well thats enuff, only reason i came to this link was they stopped talking about the good ol days in the memories
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« Reply #33 on: September 08, 2009, 09:09:07 am »

DJ. I am offended at the way you worded your statement about Senior citizens having their snouts at the trough. We have paid our dues ,working all our adult lives and paying taxes.I am glad your mother is not concerned ,well I am. COL keeps us able to pay for increases in Medicare ,insurance, etc which incidentally still raises. It bothers me that the govt. reps still get their raises, when the average citizen gets less. I was told by a friend that her relative ,living on welfare just got an increase. Maybe that is what we Seniors who have our noses at the TROUGH need to do. Go on welfare and not worry anymore. No offense to you, you have a right to voice your opion as we all do. Just keep in mind, we Seniors gave you your start. Thanks
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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2009, 10:00:07 am »

Granny1, oops, sorry, I might be more to blame for DejaVu's "snout" reference as I made typically smart-aleck remarks a while back about capitalist/socialist pigs (common phrase) at the trough;  perhaps she was just following through with that image.   I'm sure she meant no offense to those who have worked hard and paid their dues;  certainly neither did I.   Clearly she expresses disgust and outrage over the gross inequities from irresponsible government money-handling, as much as we all do.   My apology if my own snide remarks or perspective might color others' at times.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2009, 10:57:02 am »

Winston, I am with you......I am sure she meant no offense either................. Wink
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2009, 11:23:31 am »

DJ. I am offended at the way you worded your statement about Senior citizens having their snouts at the trough. We have paid our dues ,working all our adult lives and paying taxes.I am glad your mother is not concerned ,well I am. COL keeps us able to pay for increases in Medicare ,insurance, etc which incidentally still raises. It bothers me that the govt. reps still get their raises, when the average citizen gets less. I was told by a friend that her relative ,living on welfare just got an increase. Maybe that is what we Seniors who have our noses at the TROUGH need to do. Go on welfare and not worry anymore. No offense to you, you have a right to voice your opion as we all do. Just keep in mind, we Seniors gave you your start. Thanks

You're right Granny, what I said was offensive and I apologize to you all the seniors who have worked hard all their lives. It was meant as sarcasm directed at another poster. The "seniors snout in the trough" reference came from my reading the phrase posted by some right-winger on another site. My true feeling is that people who have labored all their lives deserve to retire and live a comfortable life.

The thing is...Social Security will no longer be able to be funded by 2017 unless the whole of the entitlements programs are reformed and restructured. This is not Obama's fault, this is the fault of previous leaders and government officials that we have put in office.

Take a look at the graph below and see where the money is going.

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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2009, 11:28:28 am »

Winston, I am with you......I am sure she meant no offense either................. Wink

Ah...thanks you guys for sticking up for me. I'm just as capable of sticking my foot in my big mouth as anyone else and Granny was right to call me on it.   Wink

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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2009, 02:19:40 pm »

I'm sure Obama will find the money to continue to fund Social Security.
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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2009, 02:43:27 pm »

Thanks DJ. Apology not neccesary. Sometimes, myself included, say things out of context, not thinking how it will be taken. I appreciate your views on this forum and look forward to more debate. Sad to think our country has gotten to this point, I don't place the blame on any one administration, this has been coming for a lot of years.  The warning signs were just not heeded and it has come to this point. All of our leaders in the past years have failed us in one way or another. Good thing I have Faith!! Thanks
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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2009, 03:09:50 pm »

No one needs to worry about their future Social Security benefits.  In spite of what you may have heard, there isn't one politician who would vote for any plan that would eliminate either.
Find it comforting to understand that politicians love their jobs and the money and perks that comes with it.  While they may not give a rats rear end about you, they do not want to jeopardize their cushy little lifestyles.  The one thing that they all know is that if they push the issue on these items, they'll be looking for new jobs.  And, to them, that's a fate worse than death.
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« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2009, 03:19:49 pm »

Thanks DJ. Apology not neccesary. Sometimes, myself included, say things out of context, not thinking how it will be taken. I appreciate your views on this forum and look forward to more debate. Sad to think our country has gotten to this point, I don't place the blame on any one administration, this has been coming for a lot of years.  The warning signs were just not heeded and it has come to this point. All of our leaders in the past years have failed us in one way or another. Good thing I have Faith!! Thanks

It is sad Granny. My feeling is....until we understand how we got to this place, we will never be able fix it and make it better...for ourselves and those who will come after us.  Cry



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« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2009, 03:47:25 pm »

No one needs to worry about their future Social Security benefits.  In spite of what you may have heard, there isn't one politician who would vote for any plan that would eliminate either.
Find it comforting to understand that politicians love their jobs and the money and perks that comes with it.  While they may not give a rats rear end about you, they do not want to jeopardize their cushy little lifestyles.  The one thing that they all know is that if they push the issue on these items, they'll be looking for new jobs.  And, to them, that's a fate worse than death.

I don't think we can take comfort that our votes will change anything. The status quo funds both sides so that they never lose.
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« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2009, 07:54:01 pm »

No apology needed DJ, i just hope for my grandsons sake that it will be o.k. when they get old enuff,...which they are gettin close.....me i just dont like the political system....to  many have their own agenda..and thats not the welfar of the people....................and that pie is great, but can do an apple or blackberry?
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