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« Reply #120 on: March 26, 2010, 04:25:59 am »

You know...I have been confused for most of the time on this health bill issue, but the last few days since they have passed it, things have been explained a bit more, and for me and my wife, it sounds good. First off, I will not be taxed any more than I already am, unless I make over $200,000 or $250,000 for a family. I am on a pension, so that's not going to happen.

If I understand correctly, people who make under I think it was $25,000 a year would be put on Medicaid. That's my wife and I. So, it sounds as if we will get free medical and dental. So...how's this bad for us? We can not be turned down for pre-existing conditions.

For my wife and I, we think it is a good deal. For a retired couple, health premiums now and prescriptions are outrageous.

Perhaps you did not read the health reform's  fine print that states it only applies to Democrats. Cheesy  You Repukes say it is "socialist" until it helps you. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #121 on: March 26, 2010, 08:58:10 am »


Perhaps you did not read the health reform's  fine print that states it only applies to Democrats. Cheesy  You Repukes say it is "socialist" until it helps you. Roll Eyes

I am not really sure what you mean by the term, "repukes". Are you using this as another term for Republicans?  If so, I don't believe I stated my party affiliation, altho I will now. I have none.  I guess I would fit into the Independent category. I am not a straight laced Republican, nor am I down the line Democrat.  I have views on both sides of the aisle.  When it comes election time, I vote for who ever I feel is most qualified.

I also have never said this "health reform" was socialistic....

I also seen your smiley faces, so I feel this is all tongue in cheek.
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« Reply #122 on: March 28, 2010, 11:35:28 pm »

Tuck,
Lets hope so.
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« Reply #123 on: March 30, 2010, 08:03:10 pm »

I just had to bring this over from the Briarpatch.........This is to those who call themselves The Tea Party....

You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
    You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate energy policy.
    You didn't get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
    You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
    You didn't get mad when the president ignored the clear and timely warning that terrorists were going to  hijack planes and fly them into the WTCs.
    You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
    You didn't get mad when the weapons inspectors, who said there were no WMDs, were ignored.
    You didn't get mad when we spent over 600 billion(and counting) on said illegal war.
    You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars just disappeared in Iraq.
    You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
    You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
    You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.
    You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
    You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.
    You didn't get mad when we gave a 900 billion tax break to the rich.
    You didn't get mad when the deficit hit the trillion dollar mark.

    You finally got mad when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.  Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.
 
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« Reply #124 on: March 30, 2010, 11:20:52 pm »

I just had to bring this over from the Briarpatch.........This is to those who call themselves The Tea Party....

 Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all okay with you, but helping other Americans...oh hell no.
 

Seems like someone is of the opinion that 'TEA party people' are ultra-right neocons, which is exactly what the Zionist controlled media wants them to think.  The propaganda is having it's intended effect.  Can I assume that you're friend also believes that TEA Party people are also racists?  The media is also hyping this.

I've only attended one local TEA Party event, strictly as an observer, and the speakers were preaching the same populist message that Ross Perot and Huey Long did.  What makes this person think that the average TEA Party member believed all of that crap mentioned was 'OK?' 

The TEA Party originally sprang up among the vast number of Ron Paul supporters and has somehow been hijacked by neocon warmongers, thanks to the controlled media. 

The Tea Party movement is a populist[1]  United States protest movement focused on fiscal conservatism. The movement, originating in anti-tax protests, emerged in early 2009, partially in response to the 2009 stimulus package[2][3]  as well as the 2008 bailouts[4]  and later in revelations about bonuses paid to AIG executives[5][6].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_movement

Funny, no mention of the Socialist Health Care Reform Act in there.  TEA Party members were originally against using our tax dollars to bail out the fat cats...fiscal conservatism...anti-big government.  They know how well the government 'fixed' Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, our educational system, our welfare system, so I can understand that they may be a little 'concerned' about the government's ability to 'fix' our health care system.  But your friend (and you?) have 'faith' that using middle-class tax dollars to pay for the 15% of people who don't have insurance is 'right,' and that the government will administer that trillion with the best intentions...'I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you.'

If you're friend believes that Sarah Palin speaks for the TEA Party, I would encourage him/her to turn off the TV...better yet, just trash it before it does any more damage.

'You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.'   Priceless...

How in the world did we become the greatest country on earth before all of these socialist programs came to be?  Before the government was the largest employer, and getting larger, in the world?

I know,...I know,...'you can't go back'...especially when you're on a slippery slope.

Tell your friend that all of those things in his/her long list pissed me off.  I took it to the streets long before a Tea Party was envisioned.  Establishing another huge layer of bureaucracy that's going to suck more tax dollars from me to develop a system that will surely be abused more than any welfare system is going to **** me off more. 

But I sure as heck ain't following any Sarah Palin.  For all I know she could be getting set up to be the Repub nominee in 2012, which will guarantee Barky another four years.  Either way, I (we) lose. 
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« Reply #125 on: March 31, 2010, 10:45:34 am »

Teabonics

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« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2010, 10:48:26 am »

Similar to much of the spelling found on this forum,...eh?
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« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2010, 10:49:45 am »

The health care bill, as it stands, is not socialist. It's Fascist. The government is forcing you to purchase from private corporations, not providing health care.
Medicare. Medicaid, the VA - that's socialism.
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« Reply #128 on: March 31, 2010, 08:47:28 pm »

Socialism -  a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods (health care in this instance) and pay according to work done

Fascism - a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control

Merriam-Webster

Of course, Mussolini defined 'fascism' as the melding of government and corporate power.

It appears that a 'socialistic' health care system 'for all' (except the authors of the bill) will be enforced using fascist methods.

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« Reply #129 on: March 31, 2010, 09:31:37 pm »

Health Care Battle Ends; War on Social Security Begins

Drunk with success over their Health Care bill passing, the Democrats are now lusting after even greater conquests. With the celebratory hangover still aching, the Democrats lurch forward towards a hasty drive to “reform” Social Security.

The Social Security reform will no doubt resemble the health care reform, the details of which remain a mystery to most Americans.   The essence of both policies will be based on one principle: reduce the debt of the United States by any means necessary.     

Two articles in The New York Times confirmed that this was indeed the reasoning behind Obama’s health care bill. The first states:

    “[the health care bill] signed Tuesday by Mr. Obama... squeeze nearly a half-trillion dollars out of Medicare [500 billion dollars] in the next 10 years and establish many demonstration projects to test innovative ways of delivering health care.” 

The second half of the quote — “innovative ways of delivering health care” — is doublespeak for “health care rationing” (providing less), the basis of Obama’s health care plan.

...A separate New York Times article clearly explains how the rationing of health care and the “reforming” of Social Security are one and the same:

    “Central to the health care changes are hundreds of billions of dollars in reductions in Medicare spending over time... As some administration officials acknowledge, that effectively takes those fast-growing entitlement programs off the table for deficit reduction just as Mr. Obama’s bipartisan commission to reduce the mounting national debt gets to work.

    “That leaves Social Security, the other big entitlement benefits program and one that Mr. Obama has suggested in the past that he is willing to tackle. While its looming problems are not of the scale of those afflicting Medicare, it now stands as the likeliest source of the sort of large savings needed to bring projected annual deficits to sustainable levels, many budget analysts agree.”  (March 23, 2010, emphasis added).

Doublespeak translation:  “...large savings needed to bring projected annual deficits to sustainable levels” equals rationing or “reducing” Social Security benefits.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18383

So what are you going to do when Congress passes a law reducing your Social Security checks by 50%, or raises the retirement age to 80?  Will the media convince you that sacrifices are necessary?  There's never any mention of reducing the Pentagon's budget by 50%, is there?



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« Reply #130 on: March 31, 2010, 09:32:45 pm »

Wow!  How did 'they' do that?
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« Reply #131 on: April 01, 2010, 06:54:07 pm »

Huh?  Not sure what all that striking out is about... (although I'm also not sure why a trade unionist on a Canadian site is so "concerned" about U.S. Social Security and health care)...   Huh

GA, I thought that was an accurate summation (and appropriate indignation!) of what the farcical "Tea Partiers" have been herded into and now seem to reflect.  BUT also a righteous reminder of the hijacking, Buz, distinguishing between the early evils (greed, corruption, government ineptitude) the movement sensibly denounced and the current mob mentality (a greater evil of blind hate and misdirected seething anger) it's become.  
Sure, there's a LOT to be angry about in this country right now (and for a LONG time), but ... why was it not vented more accurately earlier?   Sad  Thus it is for undiscerning frenzied masses with a limited two-party system and even more limited awareness -- you're either "fer 'em or agin 'em!"  A world of only black and white definitely lacks color!  Undecided

Teabonics -- hah, good one!  Thanks, techguy, that's clearly an accurate reflection of some of the "mass brainpower" in the country right now...

Speaking of Sarah, golly Buz, sounds like you're not planning to watch Ms. "Pitbull Who Won't Sit Down and Shut Up (Unless the Price is Right?!)" Palin on her big FOX debut tonight!  April Fool's is such an appropriate day for it:
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“As Americans, we aspire to greatness,” Palin says in a promo for the show. “When we dream, we dream big. We reach out, we pick each other up. We pride ourselves on our make up and our character.”

(By makeup, she of course means lipstick and mascara.  Cheesy   True to FAUX tv though, sounds like the program's already off on some un-real American stories...)
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2010/03/ll-cool-j-said-he-didnt-agree-to-be-part-of-sarah-palins-new-show-on-fox-news.html

Sarah on tv -- am I purposely gonna avoid it too?   "YOU BETCHA!" Wink, wink.  Roll Eyes  Grin   (Oops, that smile needs some lipstick.)
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« Reply #132 on: April 01, 2010, 09:28:23 pm »

Thanks Winston, really been missing your humor.  My brain is starved for Seretonin........ Wink
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« Reply #133 on: April 01, 2010, 11:30:07 pm »

I just had to bring this over from the Briarpatch.........This is to those who call themselves The Tea Party....

Did the poster at Briarpatch give a link to that post?

http://desertpeace.wordpress.com/2010/04/01/what-does-it-take-to-get-an-american-mad/

If not...well,...

Read the 'Comments' section...
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« Reply #134 on: April 03, 2010, 12:37:36 pm »

... been missing your humor.  My brain is starved for Seretonin........ Wink
Thanks GA.  Seretonin, you say?  "Ninoteres"?  (Oh, sorry, I was thinking Serutan, that's "Nature's spelled backwards" -- assuming you remember those old ads.  Grin )   Ah yes, serotonin ... which affects mood.  Chocolate raises it too -- some nice big ol' Fannie May Easter eggs might help too!

But since laughter IS the best medicine (and after all, this IS the "Health Care" thread), maybe the new Health Deal will eventually provide free "Mood Elevators" (hopefully, straight up to a 5th Floor Good Humor Clinic?).   Wink

In no way is this directed at you Buz, but your using the phrase earlier reminded me ...
Seems some in the "tea-ed-off" brigade need "anger management" (mental health's probably not covered on rip-off insurance though).   Still, maybe this should be their "team tea-shirt" -- won't help spelling but might reduce anger...  Cheesy

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