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« on: September 09, 2009, 06:55:43 pm »

Everyone got their notepads out?  Grin
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« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2009, 08:07:26 pm »

Well done, Pres.  Barky!    Hope it all happens just as you say!   Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2009, 08:36:41 pm »

Great speech.  However, the childlike behavior of some on the right was unbelievable.
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2009, 08:50:20 pm »

Great speech.  However, the childlike behavior of some on the right was unbelievable.

I agree. I guess it's easy to be rude when you don't give a damn about anyone but yourself and your pockets.

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« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2009, 08:55:47 pm »

GOP Lawmakers Treat President Obama’s Joint Address To Congress Like A Town Hall Protest

Tonight during his joint address to Congress, President Obama attempted to set the record straight on some of the “key controversies” surrounding the health care debate. While it’s normal for members of the opposition party to occasionally not clap at statements with which they disagree, congressional Republicans went further tonight, being outright rude at times.

At one point, President Obama addressed the myth that his health care proposals would insure undocumented immigrants: “This, too, is false – the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally.”

In response, Republicans not only began booing him, but Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) shouted out, “LIE!” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) shot an angry look in his direction, and Vice President Biden shook his head. The rudeness shocked even veteran political observers such as NBC’s Chuck Todd, who wrote on Twitter, “Wow. What’s next a duel?” MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough also wrote, “Whoever shouted out that the president was lying is a dumbass who should show the President respect.” On MSNBC after the speech, Newsweek reporter Howard Fineman said, “The Republicans were mostly stage props in this speech tonight and they behaved like it.”

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) could also be seen wearing a homemade sign — similar to the ones seen at town hall protests — around his neck, which read, “What bill?”
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Republicans are now coming out and condemning their colleague. On CNN, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said that Wilson's outburst was "totally disrespectful" and he owed Obama an apology. Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) said, "I thought that was unfortunate. [Obama's] the president. He deserves more respect than that."[/size]

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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2009, 09:13:33 pm »

Yeah, I wasn't sure what all that booing and ruckus were towards the end as Obama confronted some of the absurd lies.  Figures it was another Joe  (this time Joe the Republican Southern Horse's Rearend) who was the heckler.  Glad to hear if he's now being heckled by some of his own fellow Repubs.

More "take" on the speech at:
http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm/0909/obamas_health_care_speech_6dd2d89f-493a-46cd-ac98-51aa66ffa924.html
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« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2009, 09:17:45 pm »

September 09, 2009
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A voice from the floor on illegal immigrants: 'Lie'

One of the most persistent conservative concerns about health care legislation is that it will provide health care to illegal immigrants -- and the heated claim spilled onto the floor of President Obama's address to a joint session of Congress this evening, where one Republican member called the president a liar for denying it.

"There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false - the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," President Obama said.

A loud voice from the Republican side of the hall answered, "Lie" -- my colleague Glenn Thrush reports it was Rep. Joe Wilson (R - S.C.) -- drawing a second "It's not true," from Obama and a shake of Nancy Pelosi's head.

The bill is designed to exclude those immigrants, though some Republicans have called for more explicit bans on funding for illegal immigrants and have claimed the bill will funnel money to illegal immigrants.

FactCheck.org described those claims as "false" and noted that one version of the legislation already includes an explicit bar on federal funding for illegal immigrants' health care.

Source: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0909/A_voice_from_the_floor_on_illegal_immigrants_Lie.html



I'm sure Rep. Joe Wilson (R - S.C.) constituents are very proud of him.


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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2009, 01:14:13 pm »

Here is a good explanation of the Public Option some people are so afraid of......

http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#8EcQLH/www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFHXqrrJ6g/
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2009, 09:21:45 pm »

Here is a good explanation of the Public Option some people are so afraid of......

http://www.stumbleupon.com/s/#8EcQLH/www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFHXqrrJ6g/

Great video GA. I passed it along.

This is a good one too...

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